Copywriter André Spiteri
About this podcast episode…
FINTECH COPYWRITER ANDRÉ SPITERI
André felt trapped in the corporate legal world he found himself in.
The 'grown up in the room', telling people to eat their business broccoli in the name of 'compliance'.
From finance lawyer in Malta to FinTech copywriter in Edinburgh — André Spiteri’s freelancing story is full of risk, reinvention, and real talk.
In this episode of the Being Freelance podcast, André shares how he went from a corporate job he hated to building a sustainable freelance writing business he loves.
He talks honestly about the pressures of starting out, the mindset shift that came with success, and why the freedom of freelancing can sometimes be the hardest part. Especially when you've been ingrained with routine and targets.
You’ll hear:
Why André quit law and moved to London with no plan
His cold-pitching mindset and why, against the usual freelancer advice, he doesn’t follow up
What changed when he embraced being himself on social media
How community and a mastermind group made a huge difference
The surprising thing he found most challenging about freelance life
What he’d tell his younger self after 10 years in business
It's a fun, sometimes sweary story of escaping corporate life.
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Transcript of the Being Freelance podcast with Steve Folland and copywriter André Spiteri
Steve Folland: Alright, let's do this - as ever, let's get started hearing how you got started being freelance.
André Spiteri: Yes, well it's 10 years. This year. So I kind of, I suppose, had what you'd call an early midlife crisis. And I'll explain what that is.
Well, I was working in finance. I was, head of legal and compliance at a, at an insurance company. And I hated every second. I mean, to be fair, I was a menace, as a lawyer. Yeah. 'cause it's like, you know, it just never felt like me. You know, I'm, I'm the kind of person who's, I like to experiment and come up with perhaps maybe wacky ideas, you know, and I get a kick out of creating something from nothing and looking at the big picture.
And the lawyer's, the guy who's like, 'no, you have to eat your broccoli now'. You know, so, so being kind of that, that adult in the room didn't really feel comfortable to me. So that made me very unhappy. But at the same time, I wasn't really sure what I would've done otherwise. There's been, I suppose moments where I tried to start my own business, but it never really worked out for various reasons.
Part of it is, you know, doing it alone, not having the experience, not really knowing how to do it. Part of it, I suppose, is timing in the sense of, I don't really believe there's a right time, but I do believe in timing as in you being in the right head space to do something. And part of it was not having the incentive, if you know how I mean.
'cause at the end of the day. I think you do need to have something, you know, for want of a better word, a peril or some jeopardy to kind of succeed because if, okay, you're in a job you hate, but you know, at the end of the month you're getting this nice little paycheck and it's paying your bills. You know, you don't really have that...
And I, I mean, it's different for different people. And you know, I was in a position where I, I wasn't married, didn't have kids, so I could afford to do it if you have kids and all that it's a different ball game, of course. But I did feel that I was in a comfortable rut, I suppose. Which, you know, still doesn't make me feel very happy with how things were going.
So I did what any reasonable and sane person would do in those circumstances, which is I sold my house, I quit my job, packed all my belongings, and moved to London with no job and no idea what fuck I was gonna do with my life.
And now you're gonna have a restricted sticker on your, podcast sorry
so yeah, so I did that.
Me and my wife, girlfriend at the time, we moved together to London and I had half an idea that I'd perhaps try my hand and doing music full time. I dunno, for various reasons, didn't really happen. In the meantime, I got a gig, an unpaid gig, writing for a music blog, which I thought would be a, you know, kind of stepping stone to, you know, kind of a foot in the door, so to speak, the music industry.
And I was doing this blog for free. Then one day I had this epiphany. I was, you know, the typical millennial stereotype of being in Starbucks with my MacBook. You know, writing, I think it was a, a, a review for some stupid app, that was really shit and I'm trying to be positive about it and I'm looking outside, like, you know what, wouldn't it be sweet if I could, do this full-time and actually get paid for it?
As opposed to, you know, writing this shit for no money and having to look for a job on the side. So I tried to look for a few other gigs and I actually landed a gig with an, an independent music PR company and they were looking for people with access to music blogs. And the arrangement was they'd send you these advanced copies of, you know, new artists albums and eps and stuff, and you reviewed them and you got them published on this blog and you got paid if you got them published on this blog. And that's how I made my first money kind of writing. And, that was kind of, you know, Hey, I can get paid for this.
So that was kind of another revelation. So from there I kind of started looking at more ways of, you know, monetizing, I suppose in a misguided and, well, not misguided, but it's, you know how it is, you've just upended your life so you're like, you know, new life, new things, new broom, everything else is in the past.
Fuck that. I was kind of trying not to do Finance. To do other things, but obviously you do Upwork for a while and you get these really shitty, badly paid gigs and you know, you go through that rite of passage. And then I kind of accidentally, or on purpose, I'm, I mean, must have been a mix of both.
Landed a gig with a finance company and that, you know, paid well and I went from working 60 hours a week and not making enough to make ends meet to, you know, suddenly making more than enough. That was an eyeopener, you know, it was like, yeah, maybe I should do the finance. After all. I mean, I'm still writing, I'm still being creative, you know, I'm not wearing a suit and having to shave and having to go to the office and tell people to eat the a broccoli, you know, which I don't like either, by the way.
But that's supposed, to be good for you so that's why I'm using them as an example. Right. So, yeah. So anyway, so I got this gig and it paid well and I didn't mind it. and I was suddenly, you know, this writing business thing was taking off and I said, you know what? I'm gonna lean into this. It's fine. So that's how I started marketing myself as a FinTech copywriter rather than specifically 'copywriter'.
Steve Folland: Wow. So how long would you say that you had been 'freelance writer' until you decided to niche into FinTech?
André Spiteri: Well, if, if we're gonna count my unpaid gig as my first client, I started in, I suppose May or June. You'd say, mm-hmm. In August, I got my first paid gig. In the meantime, took kind of a bar job to make hands meet, but I lasted six weeks on that and I quit to go writing full-time.
So I went full-time in November. I made my first livable paycheck in February and I got the finance gig in I think April. It was so, I suppose a year. Yeah.
Steve Folland: Yeah. And I should have said, where, where, where are you from originally, André? Yeah,
André Spiteri: so I'm from Malta originally.
Steve Folland: And that's where you were working as a finance lawyer.
André Spiteri: Yeah. So then I have this whole crisis. I moved to the UK in end of 2014.
Steve Folland: You've plonked yourself in one of the most expensive cities you could.
André Spiteri: Yeah. Never be said that I do things by halves.
Steve Folland: But then you said earlier, sometimes you need 'peril' to succeed and no more peril perhaps, than having to pay your rent and eat and drink in in London.
So when you decided to go into FinTech. It's based on the fact that you do have experience and knowledge. Yeah. You do know what you're, and it pays well.
André Spiteri: Well, yeah. Really, and I mean, you make it sound like I sold out when you put it like that.
Steve Folland: Not at, not at all.
André Spiteri: I know it paid well, so let's, let's do it. But yeah, that was basically it. No, I don't mind it.
Steve Folland: Because you realize, you, you, you could take all the knowledge that you had from before, but this time you're not having to do the suit and the broccoli and the shaving.
André Spiteri: Yeah. 'cause it's like, you know, I think. The problem is that, you know, law is one of those professions that has been really glamor, gl glamorized, glamorized on the telly.
So you've got, you know, your Matlock and you've got your Perry Mason and you've got Suits. And by reality it's really fucking boring. I mean, it's basically sifting through, fine print. And trying to twist it around and, and it's just, yes. It's just not what, not what I'm about.
Steve Folland: So how did you, beyond working on sites like Upwork, how did you go about getting those first freelance clients off those sort of sites?
How, how were you getting that work?
André Spiteri: So when I say Upwork, I think I got maybe one job.
Steve Folland: Oh, right, okay.
André Spiteri: Yeah, so my first, my first website rewrite, full website rewrite. Right. $120 PayPal fees included.
Steve Folland: Well, it's nice. It's nice to look back. so how, so how were you getting these clients? Were you approaching FinTech companies?
André Spiteri: So extremely aggressively. I was getting these clients, and by extremely aggressively, I mean cold emailing, job boards, Facebook groups, everything, wherever I wa, yeah, I can do that.
Whoop job apply for that. Cold emails: 10 a day. So extremely, extremely aggressively. Got to the point where, and I hope they're not listening to this, but when I got my first decent client, I could not really remember where I found them.
Because I'd been doing things so aggressively, cold emails, job boards, everything.
I was just trying to get my fingers in as many pies as I, as I could.
Steve Folland: Mm-hmm. So you weren't tracking?
André Spiteri: Not really a spreadsheets guy. I mean, you know, there's, there's method to the madness, but I'm not really a... I don't have the patience for that.
Steve Folland: Right, okay.
André Spiteri: In my mind, it's organized. I have this kind of plan in my mind, it's just that I can't be arsed to, you know, write it down.
I work very paperlessly. Besides, I kind of came onto this philosophy that's like, you know how they suggest that you should follow up at least twice? I think the received knowledge is these days, so, yeah, so I, I disagree wholeheartedly with that approach.
The reason for that, especially when you're starting out, is that it can hold you back if I send an email to somebody, right?
And in my mind I have this notion that I'm gonna follow up once or twice. I have a certain emotional attachment. Kind of what if they reply? Maybe if they reply, I'll get a job, so maybe I should wait. But if I approach this as, okay, I've sent them an email, maybe they'll reply, maybe they won't. Let me assume they won't and keep going.
Then suddenly, if they get back to me, great. If not, fine, I've kept going.
So rather than get bogged down in maybes and hopes, 'cause you know when you're starting out, I think hopes, well not just when you're starting out, but I think in general I think hope can be a good thing, but also a very detrimental thing.
If you hang on to hope, it can put you in a comfort zone kind of thing. You know? 'cause maybe this will happen so I don't need to hustle and work on other things. Whereas if I have done it, I'm just gonna assume that it's not gonna happen. And I keep going with other things. I'm not gonna get disappointed and I'm just gonna keep my forward momentum.
And I see that you kind of perhaps find this a bit confusing.
Steve Folland: No. I'm, I'm, I'm loving it. And if anything, André, I'm sitting here thinking this, this could be a business book philosophy I haven't come across yet, which you should write.
André Spiteri: Fair enough.
Steve Folland: The, the thought that actually, if you don't have the emotional attachment to it and you assume it's not gonna work out, then you just keep going.
Yeah. You move on to the next one
André Spiteri: Because, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff you tell yourself I think that ends up being self-sabotage. Especially when you're starting out, you know, the, who will hire me, will they hire me? Will they not? Am I good enough, am I not? But if you just make this about ticking boxes, you know, so I have decided I'm gonna send 10 cold emails a week and I'm just gonna do that.
And I don't care if they reply or not. You know, I'm just gonna do that and something eventually will happen. It's much better than I've done these, these three, and I'm like waiting, you know, refreshing my email, seeing if they're gonna reply. That's a waste of my time, isn't it? Focusing on something I can't control, whereas what I can control is my activities.
Steve Folland: How long would you say you were doing the 10 cold emails a week approach?
André Spiteri: A day.
Steve Folland: A day, sorry.
André Spiteri: A day plus job boards, plus forums. Okay. I was very aggressive.
How long do you think you did that for?
Eight months? Because then what happened was that suddenly, I was making money and I was busy. You know, I had to slow down whether I liked it or not.
That being said, I think for things to really, really, really stabilize and for me to start feeling secure. I think it took three, four years. Right. If I'm honest.
Steve Folland: And so things picked up, you didn't necessarily feel stable yet, but how would your outreach look at that point?
André Spiteri: I think one thing I really struggled with was the mindset switch.
The switch from the mentality of scarcity to the switch of, okay, now I'm pretty established. I'll be fine for a while. I can maybe stop the scatter gun and target a bit more smartly. So I struggled with that, for quite some time where it got to a point that objectively I was doing fairly well, but I was still with this attitude of, oh my God, everything's gonna dry up tomorrow, and I, I, I really need to, you know, hustle, hustle, hustle.
It took me a long time to kind of. Take that leap.
Steve Folland: So would you say there's, there was a point where things had snowballed or where you felt comfortable?
André Spiteri: I was lucky enough that in my first four years I never really did have that feast of famine in the sense of I never had zero months, I had bad months, I had good months, had quiet months, you know, really busy months, but never absolute no income at all.
That being said, things felt very precarious for quite a long time. You know, when I say precarious, I mean being in a position where losing one client could topple the whole house of cards. . So it took a while to get to a point where I had enough clients on the go. That one wouldn't necessarily be crippling.
Steve Folland: And would these be people you would see in person?
André Spiteri: No. No, no. I'm terrible in person. I can't do that.
Steve Folland: So this was all online?
André Spiteri: Yeah. I mean, I don't think I've ever... I did do some networking events, a few times, but I just never felt comfortable, if I'm honest. Yeah, as you go there and you're supposed, you know, you're supposed to give this elevator speech and everyone's trying to drum up business and it's just, eh, you know, it's just a lot of pressure.
I'm much more comfortable in an environment where there's, there's expectations, right? So if I'm sending you a cold email, there's not an expectation that we're gonna make small talk and we're gonna pretend we're not networking. When we're actually networking. I mean, I'm sending you a cold email, you can delete it. You can tell me to fuck off, or you can tell me, sure, I hire you, but I can handle that.
Whereas, you know, the whole maybe, maybe not. will we work together? Will we? It's just, yeah. Not for me.
Steve Folland: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So actually, did, did that mean though, did you get word of mouth, like referrals at some point start... you know, as your working within a particular industry?
Did word start to spread?
André Spiteri: That took a while because community took a while too for me. I remember, you know, in the old days of Twitter using it completely wrong. Looking at these, you know, in influencer types who basically just shared wall to wall links all the time and it wasn't really fun and it wasn't getting me anywhere.
But then I started, you know, interacting and engaging with people and that's when I really started to. Find my people and kind of build a community, and that's when, you know, I started to get referrals and make referrals and that sort of thing. When I understood that social media is about well being social really.
Steve Folland: So on Twitter it was other freelancers, other copywriters?
André Spiteri: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, that's how I met you. And it's how I met, you know, lots of other people, you know, Dave Smyth and and you know Fi Shales. This bloke Jazz who came up with this suggestion for a, for a mastermind group, which is still going.
And, you know, shout out to my, my mates on that, Emma Cowley and, and Ed Callow and, Andrew Monroe and Anna Gunning, who are on this Mastermind with me.
So that kind of really snowballed then when I understood that, you know what. It's about chatting shite and posting about my vacuum cleaner and forever.
That's how you make friends. Yeah. that's how I've started to treat LinkedIn now.
Steve Folland: So it's interesting though. So this is making contact with other freelancers, other copywriters, they're not the competition. They get to realize your niche and they start to refer you when that kind of work crosses their path.
André Spiteri: This is what I've always really liked about the freelance community because I, I come from an environment where, you know, there's a lot of bullshit. There's a lot of politics in the legal field as a whole and the corporate field as a whole. So it's kind of double whammy. Especially when you're in house, the agency lawyers kind of feel like they're bigger and better and whatnot, and there's a lot of this, you know, competition and undermining and, when you, you feel like you're not really good at it and you don't really fit in, it makes it all the much harder when you feel like, you know, you're not really being yourself.
Whereas with the freelance community, it. It's the complete opposite, right? People are creating a business out of being themselves, which is something I can really get behind. Now. You don't know how good you have it until you actually, see it in action. It's been, it's such a completely different mindset compared to where I'm coming from.
So, so that's something I really like about it.
Steve Folland: Tell me about this Mastermind though. So when, when did that start and how do you guys run it? It sounds like it's been a while.
André Spiteri: Yeah, it's been a while. So it's been, I think since 2018 now.
Steve Folland: Wow.
André Spiteri: That we do it. And it's, you know, we meet once a month and it's basically everyone gets 10 minutes and it's, positives, negatives, which helps, you know, you either vent or you get some really good advice about how to solve your problem. And then we do, we do challenges, monthly challenges. Mm-hmm. So stuff like, you know, set your boundaries, for example, or, you know, reach out to that person you really wanna work with, and you've been embarrassed about reaching out to, so, you know, so you do, you do that kind of thing.
And it's, yeah, it really helps. You know, I've learned a lot from them over the years. Hopefully they've perhaps got something out of it from me too, but you know, I've, I've get a lot out of it. So that's, so that's nice and it's nice little community to have.
Steve Folland: Oh, I'm sure. And that's something that one person decided to sort of set up themselves as in like, Hey. You guys, do you fancy joining me with this?
André Spiteri: Yeah, so I think what happened was that this guy, Jazz, he had this idea for doing a Mastermind. Yeah. And I think he split us into groups. So I got assigned to this group, with Ed, Anna, Emma and, and Andrew. You know, I, I suppose we hit it off and we've managed to keep at it.
So that's how that happened completely by accident. And again, it wouldn't have happened without Twitter.
Steve Folland: Mm, the Mastermind aside, have you had any, I don't know, coaching or, you know, been part of any other groups or anything like that?
André Spiteri: Well, I've had some business coaching at the beginning of 2023, which was, you know, perhaps not a good time to do it. I would say.
Steve Folland: In what way?
André Spiteri: Because, well, 20, you know, 2023 was, I mean, tough for a lot of freelancers, I suppose, economy wise, you know, Liz Truss and and not to get political, but, but you know, all, all that sort of stuff. so that was a tough year. Tougher for me as, I also had a, my, my second daughter, so that was, so that was nice. Having, you know, the economy go to shit when you've just had another kid.
Steve Folland: It's the peril, André.
André Spiteri: Yeah. That's what we do, right? That's what we do, is the freelance life. but you know what? There's this kind of notion that freelance is precarious, and I suppose it is in many ways. But I had lots of friends, employed friends who were made redundant and, you know, losing a retainer and losing your job is pretty much, I'd say losing your job is worse.
You know, you, you, you jump through way more hoops to get a job. It's harder to be fired than, to be fired by a freelance client. Yes. But it's also, I suppose you jumped through fewer hoops to get a freelance client and you can have several at one go, so if you lose one... So I do feel like, you know, it took me a long, a very long time to get here, but I do feel like once you're over that hump, it can be a bit more, perhaps stable in some ways.
Steve Folland: Mm-hmm. So what did you work with that business coach on? Did it help you?
André Spiteri: It did, yeah. 'cause it helped me figure out a lot of stuff about myself. There's bit of received knowledge going on about how it's business not personal, but I think when you're freelance it is personal. 'cause you are the business and you know, whoever tells you don't take it too personally.
I mean, that's. Bullshit, isn't it? 'cause it is personal. 'cause it's you, whether you like it or not. Now, can you set boundaries? Of course you can. Can you, you know, set limits on the amount of headspace you give your business. Of course you can. Can you work with people who are, you know, aligned to your values? Yes, you can. But it is personal whether you like it or not.
And I think rather than fighting that, embracing that is perhaps a better way to go. And, from that perspective, what, what the coaching did was help me figure out, you know, how I like to work. Not 'how I like to work' is not the, is not the right description.
Perhaps, 'How I work best' has helped me figure out the kind of people I'm best placed to work with. I feel like there are no bad clients and there are no bad freelancers, generally. There's just a misalignment of expectations very often. And if you can understand what your expectations are and make them known, then it's easier to understand if it's gonna work with a client or not.
Steve Folland: Mm-hmm.
André Spiteri: And again, this took me a very long time to understand, and I'm saying this with 10 years of hard won experience. You know, it's, it's easy to say this once you've done it, but when you're starting out, it's very hard.
Steve Folland: Once you've figured out that alignment and what you're looking for, how did you go about choosing who to work with or approaching who to work with?
André Spiteri: Well, I'll tell you what I'll tell. I mean over this, these past two years, I had far, far, far fewer bad fit clients. I knew what had worked for me and I kind of try and establish this working process from the beginning. So, you know, you have your process, you have your process worked out. You know, what matters to you in this process.
And once you have that, you can go to the client and say, okay, so you need this. This is how I normally work. Does that work for you? Ah, yeah. You know, and that all, all of a sudden you've got the basics sorted, right? As I'm explaining it, it sounds very wishy-washy. I'm very conscious of that. But it's because, you know, no one can, no one can figure out what you want out of it except you. It's, you have to figure that out. Unfortunately,
Steve Folland: So if I go to your website today, it is a beautiful website…
André Spiteri: Oh, thank you.
Steve Folland: At what point, did you build the website as it is today? Like what was there before? What have you done with that?
André Spiteri: So I did that website in 2022. Dave Smyth did that for me and you know, at that point it was the first time where I felt like, you know, I had earned, the right to pay somebody to do my website for me.
You know, I've been in business for a while. I deserve a professional website and I'm gonna pay for it. Before that, what I had was, a free WordPress template, which I mucked about with myself. Dave took a look at that and he fixed it up a bit for me a bit later. you know, on a lower budget, obviously, because it was, the current template just make it look a bit more like, you know, not some clueless, person has, has done it.
So, yeah. So it took a while again. And you know what, that's fine because. If you get hung up on getting the perfect website and all that, you never get started.
Steve Folland: And this website, if you go look at it now as we speak in 2025, it's full of personality, but it's also very clear on your niche. As well.
André Spiteri: Yeah. But again, I wrote, I mean, that copy was developed over many years.
So I'll tell you this. So on my first website, I had no idea what I was gonna do. I really struggled with my homepage. And now with, you know, 10 years freelance experience and 10 years copywriting experience, I say, of course, I fucking struggled because I had no bloody idea what I wanted. I had no idea who I was, how I wanted to position myself, what my benefits were.
No idea at all. Because that's stuff I figured out along the way. So again, you know, I want to really stress this. It's easy for me to say now, 10 years down the line, when you're starting out, you know, you don't have the stuff figured out. So it's more, it's more important to, to get something out on the understanding that eventually it will come together.
Just, you know, don't worry about it too much now.
Steve Folland: And marketing wise, do you do anything in particular these days?
André Spiteri: Not as much as I should. No. Unfortunately,
but you know, now it's a different ball game. I mean, I've got retainers, I've got a portfolio, I've got 10 years experience and I've got a network, I can afford not to. Whereas, you know, when you're starting out, you can't afford not to.
Steve Folland: Might you still cold approach people now?
André Spiteri: Yeah, sometimes. Not regularly.
Every so often if I see something I'm interested in, see a job I'm interested in, yeah, I'll apply for that. Okay. A much more pick and choose targeted thing that I do now, but again, I wanna stress this. It's 10 years down the line. It's not, you know, my first year.
Steve Folland: What would you say you found most challenging about being freelance André?
André Spiteri: I think the freedom, funnily enough.
Steve Folland: In what way?
André Spiteri: So, you know, I worked in the corporate world, for nine years before going freelance. And as much as I hated it, you get, you get institutionalized. You get it into your head that you are, you know, you have to sit down at your desk at 9:00 AM do your work until five and have a lunch break at one.
You know you are working and you can't do other things, and you're supposed to be doing the this and this and that, and you're supposed to be hitting certain targets. And you know, at first I was very regimented about this. Now my day looks very different. For example, I might wake up in the morning, go goblin mode and do some work until maybe 11:00 AM then go for a run and shower and have my breakfast and all that.
Or I can decide, I'll wake up one morning, say, you know what? I'm gonna have this morning off today, and then I'll do it later. So much more loose. End early. Start early. Start late End. Late. Because now there's, there isn't that kind of fear of, or that guilt so much, as there used to be, you know? But it's, once you have that freedom, it's very hard to go back.
But at first it's very overwhelming, I think.
Steve Folland: Overwhelming to have so much freedom.
André Spiteri: Yeah. Personally, I found it very overwhelming and, and I think, I used it as a, as a stick to beat myself up with instead of embracing it and appreciating what I had. I just piled a lot and a lot and a lot of pressure on myself for the first few years.
Steve Folland: A pressure to work or a pressure to..
André Spiteri: Yeah, pressure to work and to hit targets and to grow, and do this and do that, and do the other. So there was a lot of that pressure. Self created pressure.
Steve Folland: Yeah. You know, so really it was the pressure inherited from the corporate world.
André Spiteri: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a tricky one because, on the one hand, perhaps I wouldn't be where I am today if I hadn't been that driven.
I mean, would I necessarily have made it so intense for myself if I had to go back, maybe not. But would I have achieved what I've achieved? I don't know. Hmm. So it's a tricky one.
Steve Folland: André, if you could tell your younger self one thing about being freelance, what would that be?
André Spiteri: It'll all work out.
It's a marathon, not a sprint.
The older I get, the more I, I'm learning to let go of all or nothing thinking. That's been something that always held me back in the past. I feel like if you let go of that, it makes everything so much better.
For example, if I'm writing a book, say, first draft, it's more important to finish than for it to be good. I'll fix it later. Whereas before I'd have gotten hung up on, you know, no, this is not working. I need to fix it. It's the same with being, with being freelance, you know? so your website looks terrible right now.
Well fine, but it's online and it's a start. So these clients aren't that great, but they're paying you. You'll find better ones in the future. You know? You have to look at it long term. Nothing worth having come straight away. You need to work at it.
Steve Folland: What a lovely message to end on. André thank you so much. Go to beingfreelance.com.
As there are, for all of our guests, there are links through. See if you can find André online if you haven't already. And of course, check out all of the other episodes. Over 300 of them. Doesn't matter what they do job title wise, it's all about the being freelance. Do take a listen through that as well. But André, so good to chat.
Thank you so much. Yes,
André Spiteri: thank you. Really have enjoyed this. Thank you for having me.
Steve Folland: All the best being freelance!
André Spiteri: Thank you. Bye.
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